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i said we would win a national championship again it's a matter of when. we just have to go back to work in building our program and that's what we've done. i can be the say enough about our seniors. they finished in the top 10 four of their years. there's no doubt we will be back. it won't be 34 years before we're going to be back, i promise you that. >> he just told us to keep our head up. the team will be back. and we're very proud of that. nothing to hold our hands down about. >> reporter: lawson says he's leaving early. but there's a lot of others deciding whether they will stay or go. and the defensive end who had a great college football career, dwayne collins also contemplating. nfl owners approving the news of the rams move to los
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if they don't, then the raiders could also return to l.a. as well. it appears both san diego and oakland will keep their teams for 2016. top 15 battle in the acc. virginia reeling after a couple of road losses back to back. boys and girls in region 24a at spartanburg. a little bit of half court pressure and murphy the recipient of the feed puts it up and in. this one up and out early. there's josh carson with the bucket. 78-72 is the final. this is a tight ball game. jeter had 36 points. she hits the three. sierra fester comes back and
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hampton up by one late. but spartanburg gets a three. and that seattle win against minnesota check out doug baldwin. what a catch. he reached up in his huge hand and pulls it out. they're coming to charlotte on sunday for that game against the panthers. fourth meeting in the past two seasons for seattle and carolina. of course panthers won earlier this year and will try to avenge last year's play off lost. >> it's going to be another good one. another cold night. >> you want the heavy coats and gloves for tomorrow. check out the temperature for gafney it'll be in the 30s. and we'll top out in the 40s for tomorrow. jackets for the morning but beautiful in the afternoon. >> you can always get the latest on wspa.com and our brand new news app. stay tuned for the late show with stephen colbert it's
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have a great night. >> stephen colbert! >> stephen: hey! thank you. hey! thanks, everybody! wooo! wooo! wooo! ( cheers and applause ) >> stephen! stephen! stephen! stephen! stephen! stephen! stephen! >> stephen: that's nice. welcome, welcome. ( cheers and applause ) thank you, ladies and gentlemen. thank you so much. welcome to "the late show with
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i gotta say there's nothing more heartwarming than the sound of a mindless mob chanting your name. it is an honor to be here before you tonight. i am really excited for tonight's show... one imagines. because all i can really think about is tomorrow's record $1.5 billion powerball drawing. ( cheers and applause ) that's a lot of money. that's a lot of money. now, i know i didn't win over the weekend, but that just means i'm due, okay. last week, when the jackpot was i played and i lost so this time i did what any sane person would do-- the exact same thing again, expecting different results. so-- and this is true, i got my roto ticket right here, all right. ( cheers and applause ) smells lucky. and this time tomorrow, you'll be looking at a billionaire-- actually, you'll be looking at a
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caribbean snorting lines of ground-up panda off richard branson's ass. i like my odds. i think that's what billionaires do. i'm not entirely sure. i like my odds on this one which experts say-- this is true-- one in 292.2 million. meaning-- and this is also true-- you are more likely to get struck by lightning or bitten by a shark or if you are really lucky, bitten by a lightning shark. call me, discovery channel. speaking of hitting the jackpot, we've got a great show for you tonight. first up, i'll be talking with oscar- and golden-globe nominee saoirse ronan. she stars in the movie "brooklyn." and it is the only movie whose
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that's a hard word to say-- artisanal pickles. then i'll interview the c.e.o. of yelp, jeremy stoppelman. unless i find a higher rated guest in the area. ( laughter ) then i'll talk to laura ricciardi and moira demos, the documentarians who made netflix's "making a murderer." ( cheers and applause ) you rawlz you're applauding murder right now. finally, we'll have a musical performance by james bay. james bay, whose debut album is what a coincidence. that's all the name of my fists. chaos, calm me down. hold on. did your ears just go into heat? that is because of the music of jon batiste and stay human. say hi, everybody. ( cheers and applause )
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chaos. chaos, calm. chaos calm. you're late. you're late. you're late again. they're about to kick off the show, but before they do, one more thing. the playboy mansion is up for sale for $200 million, although it will take 100 million just to disinfect the grotto. >> tonight, stephen welcomes star of "brooklyn," saoirse ronan. yelp c.e.o. jerry stoppelman. "making a murderer" film makers laura ricciardi and moira demos. and a musical performance by james bay. featuring jon batiste and stay
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captioning sponsored by cbs and now it's time for "the late show with stephen colbert"! ( cheers and applause ) >> stephen: ladies and gentles, welcome to the show. if you take even a cursory look at your "resistance to government tyranny bird-a-day" calendar-- thank you for your service, blue jay-- you know we are in week two of the siege of oregon's malheur nature preserve by ammon bundy and his brave band of... i'm gonna say ride attendants at big thunder mountain railroad. ( laughter ) these men are determined to occupy the malheur preserve--
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i think, i think. i don't know. i assume. they'll be there until federal land is turned over to locals or until "walker, texas ranger" is put back on the air. and when this standoff started, they knew it could go on for a while, but they were lacking a occupation, which is why they put out a call for "supplies or snacks or anything." and if you want to contribute to the anti-government group, just mail them supplies, and they will try to ignore the fact that it was delivered by a federal employee. but by now, they must have gone through most of their supplies and snacks and are well into their "anything," because on saturday, they asked supporters for more than 80 items in an email from ammon bundy's mother. ( laughter ) very nice of her. she would bring the supplies herself, but their clubhouse
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"no girls allowed." and these guys-- and these guys need all the basics you'd expect for a long occupation-- food like hamburgers, hot dogs, and eggs, needed badly, as well as personal hygeine needs like body wash, shampoo, and conditioner. yes, shampoo and conditioner, because it's one thing to face off against the jack-booted thugs of a tyrannical government, but it's another to have to fight the frizzies. you want that hair to bounce and behave. ( laughter ) and these rugged men of the land also requested pillowcases, throw rugs of any and all sizes for doorways, and bedsheets. so they're either starting a revolution or opening a bed and breakfast. but, again, they're not asking for anything extravagant, just the basics needed for revolution, like french vanilla creamer. ( laughter ) it's just like patrick henry's
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"give me french vanilla or give me hazelnut! they're both yummy." ( cheers and applause ) , of course, there's one other slim possibility of how these folks could get supplies. it turns out they are not surrounded and there is absolutely no police presence. so they can come and go as they please. maybe they just don't have google maps. let me help you out here, fellas. just occupy sodhouse lane for about six miles. then occupy 205 north to 78 west, and get off by occupying the monroe exit. then you're at the safeway. where you can pick up your supplies and occupy any checkout lane you want. do not give in to the tyranny of the 10 items or less lane. remember, freedom isn't free. and the french vanilla creamer
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( cheers and applause) >> stephen: welcome back, everybody. my first guest tonight was nominated for an oscar at just 13 years old for her role in "atonement" and went on to star in such films as "the lovely bones," and "hanna." she now stars in "brooklyn." >> so what were you doing at an irish dance? don't the italians have dances? >> yeah, and i wouldn't want to take to you one. night. >> what does that mean. >> oh, you know. >> hands. >> too many of them? >> i guess it could seem that way if you was a girl. listen, i want everything out in the open. i came to the ire dance because i really like irish girls. >> and i was the only one who would dance with you. it wasn't--
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of others? please welcome saoirse ronan. ( cheers and applause ) >> the audience is so nice. >> stephen: aren't they nice. >> it's so nice in here. >> stephen: oh, this is the nicest show. >> it kind of it. it's like we're in a church. >> stephen: it is a little bit like a church. >> very catholic. >> stephen: it is very catholic. are you a catholic yourself? >> well, i was brought up catholic, yes. >> stephen: sure, me, too. >> we get straight into religion. >> stephen: we've got to. it's one of the most polite things to talk about publicly. >> especially in america. >> stephen: you're irish and you were raised catholic.
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themselves as irishcatholic. it's like one word. there's a hyphen but we forget the hyphen. >> rathlic. >> stephen: that makes us sound angry. americans love irish people. >> even the way you said that it sounded very irish. >> stephen: did it now? >> not bad with the old irish brogue there. >> stephen: can you teach me to do a real irish accent? >> i could try. i could certainly try. >> stephen: i could try. >> it could be a challenge. >> stephen: it could be a challenge. >> we'll give it a gp g. but it's your show. you can do whatever you want. >> stephen: give me a word. >> don't try-- stop. >> stephen: whatever you're doing now, stephen. >> whatever that is, it's wrong. so we're going to do the right thing. the first thing you need to remember, when a lot of people try to do an irish accent they always sort of go up here like that-- they kind of-- yes they
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>> there's no words, no coherent words. >> stephen: or they go really deep. >> that's the irish. >> okay. >> that's the, like, angry irish catholic. >> stephen: there's i'm irish and i'm irish. nothing in between. >> it depends what you want to be. >> stephen: give me a hook. what should i say? >> i think you should be bubbly. you've got a show. you've got an audience. they've all come to see you. they've paid good money. >> stephen: the show is free. the show is free. >> there's a telescope up there. there's a lot going on. so i feel like you should be sort of-- you should be bubbly. what you need to do is keep your voice where it is right now. >> stephen: right here where it is right now i thought we were starting. i apologize. you're tougher than de niro. >> you're going to listen to this for a second. i suppose you need to keep the sounds quite open. so everything sort of sounds quite melodic and sing-songy. start off by saying, "how's is going? i'm stephen?"
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i'm stephen. >> that's not bad. >> stephen: that's not bad. >> it wasn't bad. ( cheers and applause ) it's not great, but it's not-- ( laughter ) >> stephen: how did i do with your name? how did i do with your name? sursha. >> perfect, like inertia. >> stephen: that's nice. how often do people get it right on the first try? >> hard hardly ever. >> stephen: what's the worst pronunciation of your name you ever heard. let me get it out here first so people can see it. that's how your name is spelled. >> doesn't make any sense. it's a ridiculous name. >> stephen: what's the worst pronuncation. >> sauer-es-'s, suarez. >> stephen: you do look a little bit like a suarez. >> i do. pretty exotic you. >> stephen: have a very, very thick mexican accent. >> and i've got the skin tone to go with it. >> stephen: you can help me out with something, though? there are so many irish names that are almost impossible for
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these are real irish names. tell me how to say them. >> does anyone know how to pronounce that in the audience? tig. naef. but it's neeve. >> stephen: how about this one. >> o-sheen. >> osh-een. how do you think that's pronounced. >> stephen: should one i know. shi-von. ridiculous. ridiculous. >> they're all ridiculous. >> stephen: this is one that breaks my brain. >> there's a lot of "l's" in that name. queva. >> stephen: you go to hell. >> we're in church! >> stephen: queva? really. >> so disrespectful. >> stephen: the name
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that smell? that's oscar buzz. it's a beautiful performance, a beautiful performance, really charming. this is a young woman who comes and moves to america and has to decide whether she's going to stay. you actually were born in america. you're an american citizen and you moved back to ireland. this is your life in reverse? >> i guess so. i was born in the bronx, as i'm sure you could tell. is there i-- i understand you felt pressure doing this film, you had to represent your home country in the film. did you show it back in ireland? >> we did. we had the irish premiere there and honestly, it felt like my wedding. because it was everyone-- it was all my family and friends that were there, and just everyone that we knew and that we loved. and it was very important for us that they didn't hate it. so kind of the whole time when i was making the film, i really didn't want them to hate me or the film. and i don't think they did, unless they were just very good liars. ( laughter ).
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experience in america is like an identity, but we-- as i was saying, we don't do the accent all that well, as i can prove. and we have an odd idea of what it means to be irish in america. you have ever been in america for a st. patrick's day? >> i mean, when i was a baby, but it didn't -- >> have you been in new york for a st. patrick's day? >> no, but i'm going to be here this year for it. i'm moving-- i'm like here, now. >> stephen: don't do it. >> don't do it. lock the door. >> stephen: or put yourself in a safe location. meeting an actual irish person on st. patrick's day is like finding a diamond in a coal mine. >> what are they going to do? >> stephen: they're going to make you do what i made you do-- teach them an irish accent and stuff like that except they'll be vomiting green beer on you while they do it. >> that's what it's like in ireland, too. >> stephen: is it really? >> yes. alcohol is just in the bloodstream. that's all people want to do on -- >> it's actually a thing? >> not all of us are alcoholics.
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we're not. we-- you know what the difference is, is that a lot of people think that we drink more. we can just handle our drink better. >> stephen: that's what you think while you're drinking. ( laughter ) >> i'm, like, a really good dancer when i drink, and i'm a really good singer. and -- >> you sound like a fun person party. later. i don't know if i want to go -- >> that will be lovely. >> i've built a bunker that i'm just going to escape into. >> stephen: i would hide myself during st. patrick's day. >> sure. chicago accent. >> what is it, windy city with big dreams. >> stephen: windy city. the city of big shoulders. >> big dreams. >> stephen: player with railroads. we're going to say the word they make a nice sandwich. they make a nice sandwich. >> that sounds exactly the same. they make a nice sandwich.
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>> oh, you haven't done it yet. >> stephen: they-- almost like nothing on the froont of the word. they make. >> they make. >> stephen: a nice. >> a nice. >> stephen: a nice. >> a nice. >> stephen: they make a nice sand sam-itch. >> they make a nice sam-itch. >> stephen: say this, chicago colds are the worst. >> chicago colds are worst. >> stephen: no "t." >> worse. >> stephen: chicago colds are the worse? >> chicago colds are the worse. are. >> they absolutely are. >> stephen: well, saoirse ronan, thank you so much for being here. ( cheers and applause ) "brooklyn" is in theaters right now. we'll be right back. here i am in cancun. this is me talking to la policia. this girl? totally sweating me.
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sounds like a really good deal. jake from state farm, at three in the morning? who is this? it's jake from state farm. what are you wearing jake from state farm? uh, khakis. she sounds hideous. well, she's a guy so... another reason more people stay with state farm. get to a better state. all right everybody, if this doesn't get your toes tappin',
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( cheers and applause) >> stephen: welcome back, everybody. you know, over the commercial break, i was thinking about my lotto ticket. and, again, for those just joining us, i'm going to win. anybody want to see the winning numbers? right there. ka-pow! there it is! now, alarmingly, there seems to be one thing standing in my way: other people buying tickets. i did not see that coming. and some of them aren't even americans. >> excitement is growing internationally. thousands of canadians are pouring into the u.s. to try their luck. >> the canadians, they're coming like crazy here for the lotto. >> i'm gonna take my chances just like everyone else. we come here and drop a lot of money on a regular basis. we shop in the u.s. a lot, so we give to you. it's time to give back. ( laughterer >> stephen: no one disputes that canada gives us a lot, from
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finest goslings. but you are playing with fire here, canadian woman, because i promise you, if one of you moose-munching ice-holes wins america's billion-dollar powerball, donald trump will be elected president of the united states. ( cheers and applause ) i'll vote for him! i will vote for him! because he's going to build a wall between the u.s. and canada and make the powerball winner pay for it! so an american has got to win this thing, and people are desperately looking for advice from the experts, like seven-time lotto winner richard lustig, a man who struck it so big in the lotto, he can fulfill his lifelong dream of continuing to play the lotto. >> the question they ask is, "what can i do? what can i do to give myself a better chance of winning?" >> stephen: yes, that's the question i'm asking! >> this is going to sound bad, but this is the only answer-- buy as many tickets as you can afford. >> stephen: "buy as many as you
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okay, got it. sound advice. you've got to be in it to win it, but you have to budget for the essentials-- food, rent, scratchers, the ponies, camel straights. now, some might say there's no way to game a completely random system and that you're far better off saving or investing your money. those people are called suckers. ( laughter ) they're taking themselves out of the game, and leaving all their daughters' lucky birthdays for you to play. so while i'm going to clearly win this one, here are some "late show" powerball tips. and keep in mind that the tip is the most sensitive part of the powerball. ( laughter ) ( applause ) ( cheers ) >> stephen: don't encourage me?
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tip number one-- pick only winning numbers, be it 8, 11, 39-- your choice, but pick the ones that win. tip number two: know what numbers are. a lot of folks lose before they even play because they pick an ampersand or the emoji for eggplant. those are not numbers. we all know what this is. tip number three: if it's smart to buy as many tickets as you can afford, think how smarter it is to buy more than you can afford. where are you going to get the money, you ask? the guy in the future. that guy's loaded because he just won the lottery with tips one through two. next, tip number four: if you want to be a lottery winner, start acting like a lottery winner. buy all of your friends matching jeeps. pick up an expensive pill addiction. start screaming at your loved ones, "i'm not a damn bank!" then wake up in a radisson bathroom under a pile of naked
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into your pockets, and slink back to your job at the verizon store. because you're going to need that paycheck to buy more lotto tickets. but the most important tip of all: have this lottery ticket because that powerball is all mine! i'll see you at the radisson! we'll be right back with yelp c.e.o., jeremy stoppelman.
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( cheers and applause) >> stephen: welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. my next guest is the co-founder and c.e.o. of yelp. please welcome jeremy stoppelman! ( applause ) >> stephen: let's get started. >> do you cothat for all of your guests. >> stephen: i do it for all of my guests. we have locally sourced mozzarella and hydroponically grown cherry tomatoes with a balsamic reduction. enjoy. >> thank you. >> stephen: would you like fresh-cracked pepper on that? >> yes, go for it. >> stephen: there you go. thank you. >> that is pretty good. >> stephen: the chef will be around in just a moment to check
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>> give me a second to digest. >> stephen: now, here's some locally sourced hydrogen and oxygen bonded together for you. ( laughter ) now, yelp is 11 years old. okay? what have you done to us by creating yelp? all of us are critiquing each other all the time. would you like to apologize? ( laughter ). >> i think-- skews me. that pepper, wow! >> stephen: yes. that's what it's like when your bouche gets amused. >> it's very amused, thank you. i mean, i think, actually, you should be thanking me. i mean, yelp is the way to find the best local businesses so when you're trying to spend your hard-earned money which i know you worked for. >> stephen: sure. >> you want to go to the best, right? and that's what yelp is doing, allowing everyone to share their favorite places, the recommendations, sitting down writing the five-star review s. >> stephen: when people are talking about the reputation economy, what do they mean? >> instead of the yellow pages world where it's all pay to
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yelp, you search for whatever it is you're looking for-- you need a barber, you need a great restaurant, maybe a bouche. you can just turn to yelp and tap into the entire community's knowledge. the entire city is sharing information. millions of people are sharing all of their favorite spots. >> stephen: people can be pretty cruel, though, online. i've read some pretty rough stuff on there. >> that's what we focus on. i think that's another element of human nature. you zero into the bad stuff. if we were out in the wild and saw a lion, we'd want to remember that. we remember the negative. >> stephen: "one-star review-- lion ate my friend. would not come back." >> yes, you got it. exactly. >> stephen: somebody inspired by yelp tried to start a web site thahat reviewed people, like yelp reviewed businesses. >> i heard about that. >> stephen: and basically the internet went nut and said don't do that.
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isn't that person a prophet. aren't we eventually going to be reviewing each other all the time. >> if you're offering a service, ii think it's fair game. but to review your best friend -- >> isn't human interaction on a certain level transactional, jeremy? aren't you and iauring each other the service of our companionship right now? >> are you paying me. >> stephen: i think we do. don't you get a minimum or something like that. friends. >> stephen: you waived it? >> i waived it for you. >> stephen: "two stars." >> only two? >> stephen: "waived fee." well, i give saoirse ronan four stars. i can't get everybody. let me ask you something about yelp reviews. will you create a button where someone can give zero stars. i'm tired of reading, "i wish i could give this restaurant zero stars." why aren't there zero stars.
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zero stars. >> stephen: when i was in school, any gold stafers a ( laughter ) you're just rewarding people who haven't been good children. >> i see your pint. i see your point. advertisement. batter it around. >> stephen: you have some crisp things to say about what's your beef with google? >> you know, google over time has really compromised consumers realize. compromised consumers. i can find what i need on dpoolg. >> hopefully they send to you yelp. increasingly they actually don't do that. you search for a physician-- maybe you're not feeling well-- google will serve up their own cruddy content. they don't have very many reviews in a lot of categories yet they'll serve up their stuff and bury the other options whether yelp, or zoc-doc. >> stephen: does yelp have a review for google? >> probably. it does have an address. i don't think i reviewed it, though. i should.
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"i wish i could give google zero stars." >> "may be biased." >> stephen: "the late show with stephen colbert" has a review. i looblgd it up before you came on. i got four and a half stars on average, okay. ( cheers and applause ). >> i thought it was four. >> stephen: on average. but there is-- there is one woman out there who gave us a two-star review. and she said, "this is the first time i had been in a studio audience for a tv show so please keep in mind in the following comments. i'm a big fan of colbert. always wanted to go to the ed sullivan theater." blah, blah, blah. "it was cold. i was freezing. he came out for a few minutes. i enjoyed the musical... i had a feeling the audience were really just props trained to cheer. ( cheers ) basically her complaint is that the show in the studio was a lot like what it seemed like at home. >> oh... ( laughter )
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>> stephen: what is your-- what is your experience been like? is that a lot like what it's like watching it at home? >> it's a little bit different. there's more interaction. >> stephen: that's true. >> i'm not just yelling at the tv but the tv is sort of talking back. >> stephen: do you normally yell at the tv when i'm on? >> or throw shoes. no, not so mucuc anymore. >> stephen: before we go, this is-- >> it's beautiful, it really is. >> stephen: their hairloom potato, a purple tomato, a little creme on there, and once again, would you like fresh-cracked pepper on it. >> i wish i had my phone so i could take a picture and add it to yelp and add it to the listing on your show. >> stephen: you really dropped the ball, man. >> i really screwed up. >> stephen: jerry stotoelman, thank you so much for coming by.
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we'll be right back. do you want to... ( applause ) i filed my taxes online at h&r block for $9.99. oh, that's super reasonable. what? that's super reasonable. what? [announcer] file state online for $9.99. federal is free. hrblock.com points, points, our points. there has got to be a way to redeem our hotel points. i just want to take a vacation. this seems crazy. oh really?
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ok. with hotels.com, when you collect 10 nights you get one free. oh. so you only need to know how to count to 10 to earn a free night at places like that nudist resort. yeah i don't know how that got there. because you stayed there, took a selfie and hung it prominently on the wall. hm? hotels.com. they won't judge your life choices. announcement: this storm promises to be the biggest of the decade. with total accumulation of up to three feet. roads will be shut down indefinitely. and schools are closed. campbell's soups go great with a cold and a nice red. made for real, real life. hi, i'd like to make a dep-- scanner: rescan item. rescan, rescan. rescan item. vo: it happens so often you almost get used to it. phone voice: main menu representative. representative. representative. vo: which is why being put first... relax, we got this. vo: ...takes some getting used to.
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( cheers and applause) >> stephen: welcome back,
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my guests tonight ared makers of "making a murderer." and moira demos. all right, laura, moira. >> yes. >> you got it right. >> stephen: for those of you who have not watched your documentary series yet, "making a murderer," let me give a summary and see if i leave anything out that's necessary for our conversation. steven avery is convicted in 1985 of a rape and goes to jail for 18 years. he's exonerated when d.n.a. proves someone else committed crime, and he's freed. on his release, he sues the local police for $36 million. in the middle of that case, he's accused of a murder and the same local police are heavily involve inside gathering evidence against him. your film follows the trials of avery and his nephew, brendan dassey. did i leave anything out that we absolutely need to know before we go on? >> no, i wish we had met you 10 years ago. you would have saved us a lot of
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important point. years. how did you first learn the story of steven avery? >> so, it was back in november of 2005, and steven avery the "new york times" and the headline read, "freed by d.n.a. now charged in new crime." and we were immediately fascinated by the headline and went on to read the story and understand that steven was in this incredible position of having served 18 years in prison for a crime he did not commit. he became one of wisconsin's first d.n.a. exonries, and was charged with murder. >> stephen: a lot of people look at the documentary series and they look at it as a, you know, a who done it. but that doesn't seem to be your intention in making it? why did you make this? what do you hope the message of the documentary is. >> we like to say it's more a
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what we were documenting is the process, and that's cha justice is, it's a process. at the end. >> stephen: one of the things people take away from watching the documentary is that poor people don't have a great shot in our justice system, that they don't have access to representation. he has access to great representation because he's already won a verdict that got lawyers. but that poor people often get railroaded through the system. do you see any hope from this documentary? because it's a fairly bleak story. i'm only on episode seven, no spoilers. everything works out okay, right? everybody is happy at the end? >> keep going. keep going. >> stephen: do you get any sense of hope from this? >> i think you do. i mean, the people in the series have not given up hope. and, i mean, we understand that for viewers, this can be overwhelming. i mean, we're throwing a lot at you, and it can be terrifying
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>> stephen: the terrifying thing is that you could end up accused of something you have not done and have no way to defend yourself. >> absolutely. this could happen to any one of us, and good luck if that happens. >> stephen: you do not want to be the subject of one of your documentaries is what you're saying? >> that's right. >> stephen: regardless of what the intention of it was, people are saying-- people are debating all over the united states, after watching your documentary, is he guilty or not? what do you think? >> i mean, my personal opinion is that the state did not meet its burden either in steven avery's case or brendan dassey's case. so i would say, in my opinion, not guilty. >> stephen: in your opinion? >> i mean, i pretty much agree with laura. >> stephen: is that because you don't think highs guilty or they haven't-- because who am i to say? without giving anything way, there are things, if you can't get rid of that evidence, if you can't discount that evidence, there's blood, there's bones,
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things say well it's reasonable to me to consider this person at least a suspect for it. you know, is it the idea that we've got guilty or not guilty in our system as opposed to proven or not proven? >> that's a great point. absolutely. i mean, there are things that he could be guilty, but is he guilty beyond a reasonable doubt? nothing i've seen-- and i've seen a lot of stuff-- nothing i've seen has convinced me of that. >> stephen: what would you like to make your next documentary on, something like cuckoo clockakers or ice dancing or something like that? ( laughter ) has it been hard to live with this story for a long period of time? >> i would love to follow florence and the machine, but i haven't reached out to her yet. ( cheers and applause ). >> stephen: that's nice. how do you feel about the success of this? because it has become-- you are having a moment right now for your work, but is it difficult to enjoy the level of success you're having with this when you know at the heart of it there's
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lost a daughter and for the man accused? >> absolutely. we feel like there are no winners here. what we hope to achieve by sharing this story with as many people as we can is really to try to engage americans and for people to feel a sense of responsibility and to understand their own agency here. for instance, if we see someone in a perp walk on television, we can check ourselves and try to reserve judgment about that person because at that point, that person stands as an accused, has not been proven guilty. >> stephen: well, i mean, hopefully one positive outcome of this could be more people taking an interest in our criminal justice system or maybe more young people wanting to be defenders of people who get pulled into our justice system because without proper representation you just become a cog in the machine. >> that's right. >> stephen: well, thank you so much for being here. >> thank you so much, stephen. >> thank you so much, stephen.
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